[izpack-devel] Shortcut Panel Crashes on Windows 2000

Hal Vaughan hal at thresholddigital.com
Wed May 31 03:28:09 CEST 2006 

On Tuesday 30 May 2006 21:18, Elmar Grom wrote:
> > You mean there's actually another Yankee working on this thing
> > besides me? ;-)
>
> Well, depends how you look at it. I am actually German but it is hard
> to beat the San Francisco climate ... ~:o)

Oh, you're a convert!

We're about to have another soon, but he's moving to Toronto, which will 
almost make him a Yank.

A lot of my family is from Germany.  Does that count? ;-?

Hal

> 	Elmar
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de
> [mailto:izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de]On Behalf Of Hal Vaughan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:07 PM
> To: izpack-devel at berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [izpack-devel] Shortcut Panel Crashes on Windows 2000
>
> On Tuesday 30 May 2006 20:54, Elmar Grom wrote:
> > Hal,
> >
> > hmmmm, interesting...
> >
> > I think it would be a good idea to try to isolate this problem to
> > the use of a specific module. From what you write it sounds very
> > much like the shortcut panel is the culprit. However, there is no
> > proof at this point. So before spending a lot of time on digging
> > into this area it might be valuable to first make sure it is
> > actually in this module.
> >
> > The 20 min thing is not exactly helping... can you put a dummy
> > together that does not take that long to build and see if that
> > exhibits the same problem? if so, we can use that to debug the
> > problem if not we would probably have to search into an entirely
> > different direction...
>
> Not immediately, but I can do that.  As of now, the jar is created by
> a program that's part of an overall system.  It lets me automatically
> create an encrypted jar with keys specifically for a particular
> client, automatically upload it to the web, as well as burn it to a
> CD.  (BTW, just for reference in case it helps others, since this
> install is so big, I have a master copy, and when I make a copy for a
> client, I use rdiff, and upload only the delta files.  When the
> client needs a web installer, it takes less than 20 seconds to
> recreate the large file from the master and the rdiff delta files.)
>
> When I get a few things resolved and finished off, I'll put together
> a dummy and see what happens.  I guess all it needs are a few files.
>
> > BTW, I got to go and drink some beer pretty soon, you can reach me
> > for about another 1/2 hour and after that tomorrow morning again
> > (US Pacific Time).
>
> You mean there's actually another Yankee working on this thing
> besides me? ;-)
>
> Hal
>
> > 	Elmar
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de
> > [mailto:izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de]On Behalf Of Hal Vaughan
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:33 PM
> > To: izpack-devel at berlios.de
> > Subject: Re: [izpack-devel] Shortcut Panel Crashes on Windows 2000
> >
> > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:43, Elmar Grom wrote:
> > > Hal,
> > >
> > > sure there is a DLL. As I wrote in the last mail, it just uses
> > > regular OS calls, nothing off the hook. I even developed it on
> > > Windows 2000 and it is in use for years now with no reports of
> > > this kind...
> >
> > Okay.  I forgot who write the DLL.  I see what you're saying.  My
> > misunderstanding.
> >
> > > In theory Java should not cause such problems. In reality I have
> > > seen the odd strange thing, though not in a while...
> >
> > What's weird is that it isn't a crash, a blue-screen-of-death, or
> > anything else.  It's a total reboot, and I just can't imagine a
> > darn thing in Java doing that.  I can try redirecting the output
> > and errors to a file next time, if you think that'll help.
> >
> > > At this point I have no idea at all what it could be, so the
> > > strategy is to change various things that might alter the
> > > operating conditions enough to stop this from happening or to
> > > change what exactly happens.
> >
> > I know it works in WinXP.  I haven't experimented too much yet,
> > since it takes 20 minutes to compile the Install.jar!  I'm open to
> > ideas of what to change.
> >
> > > If we can accomplish that, we might already gain some insight or
> > > at least devise a strategy that allows us to hone in on the
> > > problem.
> >
> > I can try different settings.  I think it best to remove one of the
> > short cuts and that could narrow it down quickly.  I was worried
> > that the SimpleConfig.class that Fabrice and I have been working on
> > could cause some problem, but it's not in use at all when
> > ShortcutPanel is working -- and I just don't see what could be
> > going on in Java that could automatically reboot the system.
> >
> > > One thing of interest would also be the VM you are running.
> > > Perhaps changing that might also change things.... and then there
> > > is always the outside possibility of something being wrong with
> > > you OS installation (corrupted file etc.).
> >
> > It could be any of those.  It's on a multi-partitioned system, and
> > the partition was set up for testing, so it would be a pain to
> > reinstall Windows, since I'd still have to go back and re-install
> > GRUB over the boot block and make sure the config is okay.
> >
> > I'm using Java 1.5, if that helps.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de
> > > [mailto:izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de]On Behalf Of Hal Vaughan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:19 PM
> > > To: izpack-devel at berlios.de
> > > Subject: Re: [izpack-devel] Shortcut Panel Crashes on Windows
> > > 2000
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 30 May 2006 15:10, Elmar Grom wrote:
> > > > Hi Hal,
> > > >
> > > > I never heard of such behavior. There is also nothing in the
> > > > code that could cause the OS to reboot. In theory it should not
> > > > be possible to cause this from within a Java application and
> > > > the native code uses regular OS calls, no trickery or smoke and
> > > > mirrors. So that makes the entire situation really strange.
> > >
> > > Isn't there a native .dll that could cause some problems?  The
> > > shortcuts are never even created and I don't see any sign of them
> > > on reboot.
> > >
> > > > Just to explore the situation a bit more, could you try to
> > > > insert another panel after the shortcut panel and see what
> > > > happens?
> > >
> > > Are you thinking it might be the next panel?  I can try that
> > > later this evening.  I'll also be glad to use any debugging tools
> > > you recommend, provided I understand what I'm doing.  (There's a
> > > big gulf of skills if you're self taught!)
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > > 	Elmar
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de
> > > > [mailto:izpack-devel-admin at berlios.de]On Behalf Of Hal Vaughan
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:39 AM
> > > > To: izpack-devel at lists.berlios.de
> > > > Subject: [izpack-devel] Shortcut Panel Crashes on Windows 2000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to bring this up here before I submitted it as a bug,
> > > > since I have no debugging info (it just crashes!).  I've
> > > > included my shortcutSpec.xml at the bottom of this e-mail, in
> > > > case there's something I missed that could create a problem.
> > > >
> > > > I'm using a shortcut panel as the last functional step in
> > > > installing my program.  It works fine on Windows XP, but
> > > > whenever I get the ShortcutPanel on Windows 2000, when I click
> > > > "Next", instead of getting shortcuts, my computer reboots.  As
> > > > you can imagine, this means I can either not support Windows
> > > > 2000 or come up with really crazy work around.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone else seen this behavior?
> > > >
> > > > I've got working directories set, but the shortcuts are to .vbs
> > > > files that don't really need environment variables.  They
> > > > figure out where they are and then run .bat files in the same
> > > > directory with a few arguments the .vbs scripts figure out on
> > > > their own. I'm not using special icons (just the standard .vbs
> > > > icon) either.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas on this would be helpful.  I think it's likely a bug
> > > > of some kind, but I'm once again working on very little sleep
> > > > for a number of days, so I could be missing the extremely
> > > > obvious.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Hal
> > > > ----------------------------shortcutSpec.xml-------------------
> > > >-- -- -- ------- -----
> > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
> > > > <shortcuts>
> > > > 	<skipIfNotSupported/>
> > > > 	<programGroup defaultName="threshNet Agent"
> > > > location="startMenu"/> <shortcut
> > > > 				name="threshNet Control Panel"
> > > > 				target="$INSTALL_PATH\TNetControlPanel.vbs"
> > > > 				commandLine=""
> > > > 				workingDirectory="$INSTALL_PATH\"
> > > > 				description="Runs the threshNet Control Panel"
> > > > 				initialState="noShow"
> > > > 				programGroup="yes"
> > > > 				desktop="yes"
> > > > 				applications="no"
> > > > 				startMenu="no"
> > > > 				startup="no">
> > > > 		<createForPack name="threshNetAgent"/>
> > > > 	</shortcut>
> > > >
> > > > 	<shortcut
> > > > 				name="threshNet Test"
> > > > 				target="$INSTALL_PATH\TNetTest.vbs"
> > > > 				commandLine=""
> > > > 				workingDirectory="$INSTALL_PATH\"
> > > > 				description="Runs tests to verify threshNet Agent
> > > > functions" initialState="noShow"
> > > > 				programGroup="yes"
> > > > 				desktop="no"
> > > > 				applications="no"
> > > > 				startMenu="no"
> > > > 				startup="no">
> > > > 		<createForPack name="threshNetAgent"/>
> > > > 	</shortcut>
> > > > </shortcuts>
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